Eclipse Plugin working much better!

I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4 projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.  Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests, and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat). 

So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.


-Josh Suereth

I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.

A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.

For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
is important)

BR,
John

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli wrote:
> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
> it respond? Thanks.
>
> Russ P.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth
> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>
>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>
>>
>> -Josh Suereth
>
>
>
> --
> http://RussP.us
>

I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.

A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.

For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
is important)

BR,
John

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli wrote:
> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
> it respond? Thanks.
>
> Russ P.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth
> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>
>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>
>>
>> -Josh Suereth
>
>
>
> --
> http://RussP.us
>

John Nilsson wrote:
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.

If you're going to use VNC, then try NX instead. It's much faster and gives
much better interactivity than VNC.

http://www.nomachine.com/

Regards,
Blair

John Nilsson wrote:

I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.

A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.

If you're going to use VNC, then try NX instead.  It's much faster and gives much better interactivity than VNC.

http://www.nomachine.com/

Regards,
Blair

I've never used it, but I think x2x is intended for setups like that -
where you can have applications that are independent of one particular
display.

Recent CVS of emacs (emacs-snapshot in some distros) have quite a good
feature.. I can run emacs --daemon, and an offscreen emacs launches.
I then type emacsclient -t to launch an emacs frame inside my terminal
window, or emacsclient -c to launch a graphical one. The buffers are
shared, but the windows are independent. I can have one buffer
displayed on my laptop's screen and my workstation's screen, with
completely different width and height to each other.

This is such a great feature. I wish more programs worked this way.

[the downside; DISPLAY isn't set in the server instance, so sometimes
I end up typing DISPLAY=:0.0 scala Main from a shell running inside
emacs]

2009/3/25 John Nilsson :
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
> For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
> capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
> into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
> worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
> is important)
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli wrote:
>> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
>> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
>> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
>> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
>> it respond? Thanks.
>>
>> Russ P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>>
>>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Josh Suereth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://RussP.us
>>
>

I've never used it, but I think x2x is intended for setups like that -
where you can have applications that are independent of one particular
display.

Recent CVS of emacs (emacs-snapshot in some distros) have quite a good
feature.. I can run emacs --daemon, and an offscreen emacs launches.
I then type emacsclient -t to launch an emacs frame inside my terminal
window, or emacsclient -c to launch a graphical one. The buffers are
shared, but the windows are independent. I can have one buffer
displayed on my laptop's screen and my workstation's screen, with
completely different width and height to each other.

This is such a great feature. I wish more programs worked this way.

[the downside; DISPLAY isn't set in the server instance, so sometimes
I end up typing DISPLAY=:0.0 scala Main from a shell running inside
emacs]

2009/3/25 John Nilsson :
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
> For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
> capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
> into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
> worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
> is important)
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli wrote:
>> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
>> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
>> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
>> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
>> it respond? Thanks.
>>
>> Russ P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>>
>>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Josh Suereth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://RussP.us
>>
>

I've never used it, but I think x2x is intended for setups like that -
where you can have applications that are independent of one particular
display.

Recent CVS of emacs (emacs-snapshot in some distros) have quite a good
feature.. I can run emacs --daemon, and an offscreen emacs launches.
I then type emacsclient -t to launch an emacs frame inside my terminal
window, or emacsclient -c to launch a graphical one.  The buffers are
shared, but the windows are independent.  I can have one buffer
displayed on my laptop's screen and my workstation's screen, with
completely different width and height to each other.

This is such a great feature.  I wish more programs worked this way.

[the downside; DISPLAY isn't set in the server instance, so sometimes
I end up typing DISPLAY=:0.0 scala Main from a shell running inside
emacs]

2009/3/25 John Nilsson <john@milsson.nu>:
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
> For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
> capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
> into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
> worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
> is important)
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli <russ.paielli@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
>> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
>> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
>> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
>> it respond? Thanks.
>>
>> Russ P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth <joshua.suereth@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>>
>>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Josh Suereth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://RussP.us
>>
>

Ricky,

Awesome! We've almost made it back to the mid '90's! i used to run my emacs remotely and display locally all the time. Of course, things were a tad less secure back then...

Best wishes,

--greg

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clarkson@gmail.com> wrote:

I've never used it, but I think x2x is intended for setups like that -
where you can have applications that are independent of one particular
display.

Recent CVS of emacs (emacs-snapshot in some distros) have quite a good
feature.. I can run emacs --daemon, and an offscreen emacs launches.
I then type emacsclient -t to launch an emacs frame inside my terminal
window, or emacsclient -c to launch a graphical one.  The buffers are
shared, but the windows are independent.  I can have one buffer
displayed on my laptop's screen and my workstation's screen, with
completely different width and height to each other.

This is such a great feature.  I wish more programs worked this way.

[the downside; DISPLAY isn't set in the server instance, so sometimes
I end up typing DISPLAY=:0.0 scala Main from a shell running inside
emacs]

2009/3/25 John Nilsson <john@milsson.nu>:
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
> For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
> capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
> into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
> worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
> is important)
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli <russ.paielli@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
>> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
>> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
>> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
>> it respond? Thanks.
>>
>> Russ P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth <joshua.suereth@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>>
>>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Josh Suereth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://RussP.us
>>
>

--
L.G. Meredith
Managing Partner
Biosimilarity LLC
806 55th St NE
Seattle, WA 98105

+1 206.650.3740

http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com

Ricky,

Awesome! We've almost made it back to the mid '90's! i used to run my emacs remotely and display locally all the time. Of course, things were a tad less secure back then...

Best wishes,

--greg

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clarkson@gmail.com> wrote:

I've never used it, but I think x2x is intended for setups like that -
where you can have applications that are independent of one particular
display.

Recent CVS of emacs (emacs-snapshot in some distros) have quite a good
feature.. I can run emacs --daemon, and an offscreen emacs launches.
I then type emacsclient -t to launch an emacs frame inside my terminal
window, or emacsclient -c to launch a graphical one.  The buffers are
shared, but the windows are independent.  I can have one buffer
displayed on my laptop's screen and my workstation's screen, with
completely different width and height to each other.

This is such a great feature.  I wish more programs worked this way.

[the downside; DISPLAY isn't set in the server instance, so sometimes
I end up typing DISPLAY=:0.0 scala Main from a shell running inside
emacs]

2009/3/25 John Nilsson <john@milsson.nu>:
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
> For now I've resigned to not coding at all planning to get a laptop
> capable of actually running Eclipse. Does anyone have some insights
> into what kind of Laptop is good for coding? (I guess I'm mainly
> worried about the keyboard, but even the screen size/resolution/type
> is important)
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Russ Paielli <russ.paielli@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm thinking about trying Eclipse, but before I do I'd like to get an idea
>> about how well it works remotely over a cable internet connection. I
>> sometimes work from home using Linux on both ends and ssh -X over Comcast
>> cable. Has anyone used Eclipse with that sort of setup? If so, how fast does
>> it respond? Thanks.
>>
>> Russ P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Josh Suereth <joshua.suereth@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to congratulate everyone helping out the eclipse plugin
>>> (Specifically Miles Sabin, but others as well), on doing a great job in
>>> stabilizing the plugin.   I've recently been working in a not-insignificant
>>> (but not amazingly large) project.  I'm using Multi-module maven (4
>>> projects) with interdependencies, and the workspace is fast and responsive.
>>> Although there are a few rare instances when things get out-of-control, I've
>>> been able to succesfully code up a 100% scala project including unit tests,
>>> and I wasn't spending most of my time chasing down eclipse plugin bugs
>>> (like... say... a year ago when I first attempted the same feat).
>>>
>>> So... Congratulations to all Eclipse plugin developers!  Good show.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Josh Suereth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://RussP.us
>>
>

--
L.G. Meredith
Managing Partner
Biosimilarity LLC
806 55th St NE
Seattle, WA 98105

+1 206.650.3740

http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com

I recommend setting up a BBS that you can telnet into for all your coding needs.  It has some nice RIP graphics, so you new-fanglers can navigate around with that mouse thing.

- Josh

P.S. My 386 that runs the BBS still boots.  You could even play some L.O.R.D., Usurper or Trade Wars 2002 if desired.  However you need to know the phone number...

I recommend setting up a BBS that you can telnet into for all your coding needs.  It has some nice RIP graphics, so you new-fanglers can navigate around with that mouse thing.

- Josh

P.S. My 386 that runs the BBS still boots.  You could even play some L.O.R.D., Usurper or Trade Wars 2002 if desired.  However you need to know the phone number...

hehe,

> 1:381/59

good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)

best regards, --- jan.

I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format. Actually
getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
have been hard. :)

I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)

2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten :
>
> hehe,
>
>> 1:381/59
>
> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>
> best regards, --- jan.
>

I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format. Actually
getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
have been hard. :)

I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)

2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten :
>
> hehe,
>
>> 1:381/59
>
> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>
> best regards, --- jan.
>

NX looks interesting. Excuse my ignorance, but what will it get me that I can't get with remote access through X Windows (Linux/Linux using ssh on a cable modem)? And how does performance compare? Thanks.

Russ P.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Blair Zajac <blair@orcaware.com> wrote:

John Nilsson wrote:

I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.

A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my workstation to
use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse client to
die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at least
let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.

If you're going to use VNC, then try NX instead.  It's much faster and gives much better interactivity than VNC.

http://www.nomachine.com/

Regards,
Blair

--
http://RussP.us

I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format.  Actually
getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
have been hard. :)

I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)

2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten <kriesten@mail.footprint.de>:
>
> hehe,
>
>> 1:381/59
>
> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>
> best regards, --- jan.
>

Actually, y'all are making me feel insanely young, considering the fact that I didn't even know BBS had anything to do with a phone line until this thread.  :-)  My first contact with the great Internets was in '96, by which point all of the stuff you're talking about had pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur.  Too bad, it would have been nice to be a part of the early days of that revolution.

Daniel

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clarkson@gmail.com> wrote:

I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format.  Actually
getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
have been hard. :)

I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)

2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten <kriesten@mail.footprint.de>:
>
> hehe,
>
>> 1:381/59
>
> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>
> best regards, --- jan.
>

Actually, y'all are making me feel insanely young, considering the fact that I didn't even know BBS had anything to do with a phone line until this thread.  :-)  My first contact with the great Internets was in '96, by which point all of the stuff you're talking about had pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur.  Too bad, it would have been nice to be a part of the early days of that revolution.

Daniel

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clarkson@gmail.com> wrote:

I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format.  Actually
getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
have been hard. :)

I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)

2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten <kriesten@mail.footprint.de>:
>
> hehe,
>
>> 1:381/59
>
> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and wrote a
> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>
> best regards, --- jan.
>

On 03/25/2009 06:48 PM, James Iry wrote:
> 1:381/59
1:153/7025 :)

Something was lost in the transition from BBS's to the Web. I can't
articulate it, it may not have been anything very important, and it
certainly doesn't compare to what has been gained, but it's definitely
gone. :/

-0xe1a

Two things. If your network connection drops, you can just reconnect, or if you
just want to close your laptop, you can leave the state on your remote server
there and pick it up later.

It's also much faster. I've tried tunneling Firefox or Thunderbird over a ssh
connection from home to work and it's just horrible. It's much faster to use NX
to host a virtual display on your remote server and just send the entire desktop
to your client.

Russ Paielli wrote:
> NX looks interesting. Excuse my ignorance, but what will it get me that
> I can't get with remote access through X Windows (Linux/Linux using ssh
> on a cable modem)? And how does performance compare? Thanks.
>
> Russ P.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Blair Zajac > wrote:
>
> John Nilsson wrote:
>
> I did this for a while. Didn't think too much about the latency (but
> then again I was using X11/SSH over my lan not over the internet.
>
> A very annoying problem drove me to use vnc instead though. I was
> running the X-server on my laptop and ran Eclipse on my
> workstation to
> use the CPU and RAM of that machine. However when the laptop
> hibernates and thus kills the network this cause the eclipse
> client to
> die. Using VNC (a lot more sluggish in the interface though) at
> least
> let me start coding as soon as the laptop wakes up.
>
>
> If you're going to use VNC, then try NX instead. It's much faster
> and gives much better interactivity than VNC.
>
> http://www.nomachine.com/
>
> Regards,
> Blair

Chris Lambrou wrote:
> If an application loses its connection to the X server, the xlib client
> code causes the application to suicide. The upshot is that, if there's
> any network outage, you won't simply be able to reconnect to any of your
> running programs - they won't be running anymore! Simple things like a
> network drop out, or simply an unexpected suspend if you close your
> laptop lid, will kill your client applications. X was only designed to
> work either locally, or across solid internal networks. Programs like NX
> and VNC don't look as pretty and responsive as running an X server, but
> they'll give you much improved stability.

In my experience, running NX is like having the programs locally, it's that much
faster than VNC. I'm never waiting for the screen to refresh itself.

Blair

Two things.  If your network connection drops, you can just reconnect, or if you just want to close your laptop, you can leave the state on your remote server there and pick it up later.

It's also much faster.  I've tried tunneling Firefox or Thunderbird over a ssh connection from home to work and it's just horrible.  It's much faster to use NX to host a virtual display on your remote server and just send the entire desktop to your client.

There is a very good book that captures much of the feeling of those
times (at least as far as I'm concerned). You should read it.

The Masters of Deception: The Gang That Ruled Cyberspace
http://books.google.com/books?id=F2YUIgAACAAJ&dq=isbn:0060926945

BR,
John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Daniel Spiewak wrote:
> Actually, y'all are making me feel insanely young, considering the fact that
> I didn't even know BBS had anything to do with a phone line until this
> thread.  :-)  My first contact with the great Internets was in '96, by which
> point all of the stuff you're talking about had pretty much gone the way of
> the dinosaur.  Too bad, it would have been nice to be a part of the early
> days of that revolution.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Ricky Clarkson
> wrote:
>>
>> I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format.  Actually
>> getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
>> have been hard. :)
>>
>> I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)
>>
>> 2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten :
>> >
>> > hehe,
>> >
>> >> 1:381/59
>> >
>> > good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and
>> > wrote a
>> > mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>> >
>> > best regards, --- jan.
>> >
>
>

There is a very good book that captures much of the feeling of those
times (at least as far as I'm concerned). You should read it.

The Masters of Deception: The Gang That Ruled Cyberspace
http://books.google.com/books?id=F2YUIgAACAAJ&dq=isbn:0060926945

BR,
John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Daniel Spiewak wrote:
> Actually, y'all are making me feel insanely young, considering the fact that
> I didn't even know BBS had anything to do with a phone line until this
> thread.  :-)  My first contact with the great Internets was in '96, by which
> point all of the stuff you're talking about had pretty much gone the way of
> the dinosaur.  Too bad, it would have been nice to be a part of the early
> days of that revolution.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Ricky Clarkson
> wrote:
>>
>> I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format.  Actually
>> getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
>> have been hard. :)
>>
>> I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)
>>
>> 2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten :
>> >
>> > hehe,
>> >
>> >> 1:381/59
>> >
>> > good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and
>> > wrote a
>> > mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>> >
>> > best regards, --- jan.
>> >
>
>

I would also recommend watching "The BBS Documentary" by Jason Scott
http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/

Erkki

John Nilsson wrote:
> There is a very good book that captures much of the feeling of those
> times (at least as far as I'm concerned). You should read it.
>
> The Masters of Deception: The Gang That Ruled Cyberspace
> http://books.google.com/books?id=F2YUIgAACAAJ&dq=isbn:0060926945
>
> BR,
> John
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Daniel Spiewak wrote:
>
>> Actually, y'all are making me feel insanely young, considering the fact that
>> I didn't even know BBS had anything to do with a phone line until this
>> thread. :-) My first contact with the great Internets was in '96, by which
>> point all of the stuff you're talking about had pretty much gone the way of
>> the dinosaur. Too bad, it would have been nice to be a part of the early
>> days of that revolution.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Ricky Clarkson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just used to read about all this stuff in Amiga Format. Actually
>>> getting my parents to shell out real money for internet access would
>>> have been hard. :)
>>>
>>> I guess I just made some of you feel old, and some of you feel young. :)
>>>
>>> 2009/3/26 Jan Kriesten :
>>>
>>>> hehe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 1:381/59
>>>>>
>>>> good old FidoNet - I had a system running on an old Atari Mega STE and
>>>> wrote a
>>>> mailer software for it myself (and distributed it as shareware). :-)
>>>>
>>>> best regards, --- jan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>

I think it's simple: exclusivity. I don't know how it was in the states,
but in a small country like Estonia, it wasn't easy to get access to
BBS-s. You would need to read some geeky magazines to even know what BBS
were and to get their phone numbers. Or have geeky friends who already
knew about them. To become a point in FidoNet you usually had to meet a
sysop in real life first.

In the web, anyone can register on most forums. You can get access to a
lot of communities even if they are located far from you. Something was
lost and something was gained. I do miss those days sometimes but I
wouldn't want to give up the ease of accessing information that we
currently enjoy.

Erkki

Alex Cruise wrote:
> On 03/25/2009 06:48 PM, James Iry wrote:
>> 1:381/59
> 1:153/7025 :)
>
> Something was lost in the transition from BBS's to the Web. I can't
> articulate it, it may not have been anything very important, and it
> certainly doesn't compare to what has been gained, but it's definitely
> gone. :/
>
> -0xe1a
>