Commercial Eclipse plugin termination.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jan Kotek <opencoeli@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

as you probably know Jetbrains are giving now Intellij Idea for free.
This is making competition much harder, so I am terminating my
commercial Eclipse plugin.

I'm guessing that's a wrong assumption. Many people are invested in their IDE, myself included, and as such will not be switching. Cost of the IDE never really was the issue.

I'll second that.

Cost of the IDE isn't the issue. It's the sunk cost of having already become productive with one IDE and not wanting to switch.

--j

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Nils Kilden-Pedersen <nilskp@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jan Kotek <opencoeli@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

as you probably know Jetbrains are giving now Intellij Idea for free.
This is making competition much harder, so I am terminating my
commercial Eclipse plugin.

I'm guessing that's a wrong assumption. Many people are invested in their IDE, myself included, and as such will not be switching. Cost of the IDE never really was the issue.

I used Eclipse to develop in Java for 5 years. After 2 months of
using IDEA I was more productive than I had been in Eclipse. Of
course, that's not a well-controlled experiment (I probably wouldn't
have been as productive in IDEA after 2 months had I not already used
Eclipse), but it impressed me enough to buy IDEA.

2009/10/19 Jorge Ortiz :
> I'll second that.
>
> Cost of the IDE isn't the issue. It's the sunk cost of having already become
> productive with one IDE and not wanting to switch.
>
> --j
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Nils Kilden-Pedersen
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jan Kotek wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> as you probably know Jetbrains are giving now Intellij Idea for free.
>>> This is making competition much harder, so I am terminating my
>>> commercial Eclipse plugin.
>>
>> I'm guessing that's a wrong assumption. Many people are invested in their
>> IDE, myself included, and as such will not be switching. Cost of the IDE
>> never really was the issue.
>>
>
>

On Tuesday 20 October 2009 13:12:29 Ricky Clarkson wrote:
> I used Eclipse to develop in Java for 5 years. After 2 months of
> using IDEA I was more productive than I had been in Eclipse. Of
> course, that's not a well-controlled experiment (I probably wouldn't
> have been as productive in IDEA after 2 months had I not already used
> Eclipse), but it impressed me enough to buy IDEA.

Indeed, we all have such different paths :-) During last 2-3 months I'm
following Caoyuan's work with NetBeans plugin (to be able to try 2.8). As a
result, I have "rediscovered" NetBeans (being Eclipse user during past 4-5
years) and switched all my Java project to NB also! 8-)

(have tried IDEA few times and even was ready to buy, but each time this or
that showstopper was found)

Why IDEA and not eclipse? I thought you were already familiar with eclipse so why not help Miles?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Jan Kotek <opencoeli@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

as you probably know Jetbrains are giving now Intellij Idea for free.
This is making competition much harder, so I am terminating my
commercial Eclipse plugin.

My plugin was using JDT modifications made by Groovy team (on opposite
to Equinox Aspects). I spend around 50 hours on this, and have only
some notes, failing unit tests and non working prototype.
http://blog.springsource.com/2009/07/30/a-groovier-eclipse-experience/

I will propably contribute some code to Idea plugin.

Regards,
Jan Kotek

> Why IDEA and not eclipse? I thought you were already familiar with
> eclipse so why not help Miles?

On this occassion I'd like to point out at that the latest nightly build
of the Eclipse plug has element info on hovering (including for
type-inferred elements), Javadoc/Scaladoc on cursor-selecting, and
significantly improved auto-completion. ``Open Type'', ``Open
Declaration" and the outline view vastly imroved. I don't know how good
the NetBeans and IDEA plugs are---I heard they were better---but Miles
has done an outrageous job in the last few weeks. With the latest build
it is possible to get productive. (Miles, give me your IBAN, I'll send
you 10 Pounds or Euro, I heard you now accept the Euro on the island ... :))

One thing that still doesn't work in Eclipse is ``Organize Imports",
though. I see it is more challenging than in Java, but it is an
essential feature I hope to be available soon.

---Ph.

> I don't know how good
> the NetBeans and IDEA plugs are---I heard they were better---but Miles
> has done an outrageous job in the last few weeks.

Oops, I thought ``outrageous" was a positive word, but it apparently
isn't. (?) Well, English isn't my native tongue, so please take my
apologies. (I was in England once for three weeks, some time looong ago,
never in the U.S., so don't have active practice. All of my ad-hoc
English stems from reading tech books.) Make that an ``excellent," please.

---Ph.

I understood you perfectly. When describing something extreme, blurring of
positive and negative extremes is common. For example, for most people
"awesome" is now completely separated from the idea that it might inspire
awe.

phkoester wrote:
>
> > I don't know how good
>> the NetBeans and IDEA plugs are---I heard they were better---but Miles
>> has done an outrageous job in the last few weeks.
>
> Oops, I thought ``outrageous" was a positive word, but it apparently
> isn't. (?) Well, English isn't my native tongue, so please take my
> apologies. (I was in England once for three weeks, some time looong ago,
> never in the U.S., so don't have active practice. All of my ad-hoc
> English stems from reading tech books.) Make that an ``excellent," please.
>
> ---Ph.
>
>

В письме от Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:56:43 +0400, Naftoli Gugenheim
сообщал:

> Why IDEA and not eclipse? I thought you were already familiar with
> eclipse
> so why not help Miles?

The discussion of JDT/AspectJ weaving back there shows that Jan don't
count current AspectJ hooks reasonable for the task, that's why he
modelled his plugin after Groovy.
Contrary, Miles models his plugin on AsectJ interfaces. So they have very
different grounds there...

Jan:
>> as you probably know Jetbrains are giving now Intellij Idea for free.

Looking at comparision matrix
http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Ultimate+Edition+vs.+Community+Edi...
Free IDEA completely omits all WWW-based technologies, while Eclipse
provides Aptana.org editors set

Would you focus on Lift, probably you would target IDEA Ultimate, rather
than IDEA free.